i understand, WW.......i've posted very little recently and mostly in selected forums, where i think it is quieter. if i post somewhere else, it's just a supportive post or to answer a question. there seems to be a sort of power struggle going on and i'm standing back to wait, i guess, for the dirt to settle...i'm PMing a lot and i've put several on ignore. that does make it better but i hope it gets to the point where i won't have anyone on ignore...xoxo pat ps. how is your family?????