Patty - what you're saying about LK is fine in your world. But I think LK runs in a different, or rather, more "free" crowd. There are all sorts of folks out there and some do act a bit more crass than others. Yet, they still want to maintain proper boundaries with humanity. Some things LK does (sex in br w/ wife) may be ok in their crowd but not in yours (nor mine). Sometimes, we think others need to raise their standards - but yet, we may just want to try to understand and let-be.

My wife is very straight laced. Never really acts-out & tries to maintain this high-level of "properness". Based on how she was raised. When I'm with my friends out doing something, things are far different than when I'm at home because of her standards. People are just ... different.

For LK's issue here - friends and family who are more "open" with their personalities may not be worth inspection here. He still wants to maintain a great marriage and wants to define that boundary with his friend (?) who has begun to cross that boundary. Whether he herds hippos, milks water buffalos or juggles cats besides that may not really apply to the original post. Sometimes, people feel loose around friends and the bathroom thing he mentioned happens (though, not in my house - I understand). This thread has been quite interesting so far. I hope his issue has been addressed - lots of good feedback so far.