I'm just giving an accurate response to a question given in this thread. I am keeping with the topic, and it's unfortunate that those who don't want to hear accurate information continue to attack me, here and in a separate thread that had nothing to do with "complex" ptsd.

From the same resource that was quoted by some to supposedly support complex ptsd, it says: Because results from the DSM-IV Field Trials indicated that 92% of individuals with Complex PTSD/DESNOS also met criteria for PTSD, Complex PTSD was not added as a separate diagnosis. Complex PTSD may indicate a need for special treatment considerations.

http://www.ncptsd.va.gov/ncmain/ncdo...=d&echorr=true

The question asked was if the symptoms and effects are the same, and the above says yes. What some members feel I am invalidating, and I am not, is if the causes are different. Yes, in a sense. I'm not saying that a death feared experience is required, though the current media does. What I'm reading about "complex ptsd" push is that it isn't required for those who endure long-term, repeated abuse. And I have no opinion on that. I am merely saying that yes, according to the current experts documentation, the symptoms and the effects are the same.
(BTW, I did read here where some say that only those with repeated abuse experience "the difference is that with c-ptsd, you may have an altered sense of self (e.g., i perceive myself as a "bad person"), you will have difficulties trusting others (in most, if not all, aspects of life), you may dissociate frequently, have a tendency to be revictimised etc., have a diffused sense of self, or dissociate." I can assure you that those who do not have the horrible repeated abuse issues also experience those things. In Hermann's list she does not state that those symptoms are for "c ptsd" only, btw.

So you can see, I hope, why I'm not seeing the difference other than the repeated cause. I've not been flippant in my posting, but realize that some when triggered might act out against information they don't want to hear.

I think someone reposted something I said in the past, and that shows that I am not against the possible upcoming of the new dx of complex ptsd. But to say that the symptoms and effects are different just isn't quite accurate, with the only one being changed by J Hermann I think is that with c-ptsd and the repeated trauma one doesn't have to fear for their life. (If that's a true statement, well, then I disagree with it but whatever. I don't see where ongoing abuse would remove that fear!)

((((hugs))) to you all. I'm not against you.

Note: Some have spread it about that mods removed my other posts, which is not the case. Mods did not even ask me to do so, I immediately removed my own posting when it was obvious members weren't understanding my phrasing in them.