yes I must admit fool zero I played with that paragraph for a while because I couldnt quite say what I wanted to - I didnt think it was clear and of course there is no offence taken

First I actually like the parts of DBT that I have been exposed to - like I said my T takes parts from everything and uses what works for each individual client and that works for me

The idea of saying to a suicidal patient - so why dont you do it in an agressive tone - does make me angry - (in an understanding tone t may elicit a different response) where it would work for some - for others I think it would push them over the edge - it would have me - I would have been a "right I'll show them"" kinda girl! (ok I know thats acting like a 12 year old...2 year old? lol ) - so I guess it comes down to perception - I could say to you - you'd like some icecream!!!! or I could say- you'd like some icecream - same words interpreted differently because of tone and delivery or just our own interpretations....

I have watched Marsha on a video and did get angry over ...acutally a suicide remark - it was acutually an innocent remark when put in contect but I was dealing with those thoughts at the time and maybe thats why it sparked me off - (I am a phoneix after all! )

but I always try to look into the face of my anger (when I have calmed down usually ) and try to see what has set me off - and I realised I was not taking the info at face value but colouring it with my views - maybe like I was colouring the book with the views of others instead of deciding for myself - and when I watched the video a second time without .... hmmm with just listening to the words and what they meant..... I actually agreed with most of it. (its hard to do though) just observing an emotion when the emotion is telling you to run for the hills is soooooo hard. And i am really trying the mindfullness thing - I want to be alive and participate... thats really hard too....

I'm prob confusing matters....... but hey I have a head injury ok ! lol (just how long can I use that excuse I wonder!)

take care all - be safe be happy be well P7

oooh and the thing about the psych central - thats a very good point - interpretation and perception of facts taken in different ways can change how we look at things.