At what point does wagons circling turn into schoolyard, individual, and mob, piling on; bullying, flaming and trying to intimidate?

Though I would use different words and have different thoughts I'm sure I have felt at least some of the feelings that sj and dayzees have expressed and tried to say so previously, so she won the bet, whether she expressed herself diplomatically or was mistaken about some things or not. It's unfortunate that people can make mistakes and be rude, and though some apologies have been made I'm not sure that all the rudeness that happened here has been recognized by those who were and apologies offered.

Guidelines are nice and very helpful and I think everyone has an interest in seeing that they are the best they can be via reasonable avenues as time allows. Improvement I think requires continual revaluation and perhaps adjustments as seems best. I wish I had doc John's patience in many regards but I don't think it is bad thing to try to make things work better for everyone. I think that everyone has a right to their opinion and input in this regard. I would hope I could be less defensive in this sort of pursuit and that others could as well from whatever their perspectives. We have common interests here I believe.
We could all win the bet that we have made that our invested time and efforts here will be helpful.

As for the like it or leave it attitude, I think that can be looked into under verbal and emotional abuse articles, if I'm not mistaken.

~Down