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eskielover · Jun 20, 2009, 08:54 PM

OK......LK.....after thinking about this post for several hours, I can understand why you haven't been around PC for awhile.....You definitly have your work cut out for you.....even though you are excellent at writing & putting your thoughts down.....it still takes work to organize them & determine exactly what persuasion you want to get across in your papers.....especially since this is an advanced class.....not just a "get by" class. Oh yes, the reason you like math more is that it is logical, it is not based on emotional thinking as classes like this are. Math doesn't have many ways of solving an equation, persuasion has an endless numbers or ways to attack it & present it.

the paper is for advanced rhetoric......rhetoric.....the art of using language as a means to persuade or to move the audience to action....the power to persuade which one has suffered the most because of the stereotype Do you have to persuade them into an action or just the fact that one has suffered more than the other? think it would be hard enough to condense just the pursuasion of the suffering into 3 pages....lol.....but then I am always known for writing novels.

Knowing your writing from the posts here....I am sure that whatever you choose & however you choose to write it, it will stand out (or is that stick out like a sore thumb...ouch...I really didn't say that)

At least I know from the list that I am NOT the stereotypical woman......yikes.....I never was & never wanted to be....& that was even before womens lib ever hit the scene....that was before anyone even knew any better...lol......back in the dark ages of the 50's/60's. Sure glad I grew up in a neighborhood with all boys who had no idea about strero types either. I had no idea that I was supposed to be that way...lol.....anytime anyone suggested anything like it, I always laughed at them.....didn't realize they were serious.

I think it's a splendid topic here...not sure that it isn't somewhat equal to politics & religion...lol. Could really get into some heated discussions ~as I pull my head into my turtle shell~....thinking that just my notes on the subject would take up 3 pages...lol.....there really is a lot to say.

Personally, it seems that men's stereotype really does the worst amount of damage & that is the one centered on being the bread winner. It seems that men can't cope that well without being the breadwinner where women who want the career will go after it stereotype or not....& those women who aren't into a career are usually into the family & home & would really rather NOT be working. I think that men who end up staying home & taking on the homemaker position have ended up being looked down on as being in an intellectually inferior position, just like the womens lib looked down on women for staying home, the men were looked down on just like the women. Where women can really adapt to either roll & find a place that fits them best & where they are happiest.

The other stereotypes for men I think don't hit across the board like the beadwinner does......All the other areas, it seems that men can find a nitch where they fit in without those stereotype expectations. As white collar men would always hire the work done with the engines & power tools, so they weren't expected to be good with those things as long as they were the breadwinners & could hire it done......those that weren't better be good with them or they can't afford to have the work done & then it comes back to being the breadwinner again. As far as the violence.....norally fighting was looked down on.....but the ability to go to war for the country was required......know in the past when there was true patriotism (which we have lost along the way with how they have run the wars after WWII), it isn't so much looked at as something that is a good thing by everyone anymore.....so that sterotype has fallen by the wayside mostly. Men are usually able to find a place or person in their life that fits their sexuality.

Just seems that women have been able to find places where they can more easily be what they want to be within the sterotypes, or are more able to shake free of them because shaking free was always considered a more rise in ability & respect......where with the men, it was usually considered a move down.

Will be interesting to see what other thoughts are on these sterotypes now that I am sure your paper is complete & we know you won't steal our ideas for your paper...lol.

I am sure I have overlooked many of toughts.....these were just the first ones that came to my mind without spending much research time. I am sure that we all will be able to share I point out the falicies in each of the thoughts......as there as many ways of looking as this there are stars in the sky (I think there is something about infinity going through my head at this point).

Will be interesting to see what other thoughts are on this.....will surprise LK when he gets a break from his class & gets back here to PC.

Just throwing out some thougts......while ducking,
Debbie