Sept, I meant more normal being that she has done nothing normal since this boy started controlling her life. It was subtle, we didn't see it happening that she didn't want to be with us and was not going to social functions with us. ALSO a very bad attitude. I learned that we can start the guardianship now so it's in place come her b'day, and I also spoke with her and tried to get her to look into the battering cycle stuff. She is determined she wants to run her life her own way.