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Originally Posted by reflection
* please don't read this if discussion of spiritual beings taking partial control of a person triggers you. i am commenting on this here from discussion on another thread because i didn't want to trigger anyone there. *
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Ditto on this warning -- (potential) TRIGGER CITY AHEAD.
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Originally Posted by reflection
i do believe DID exists. and that each case will be unique. i do believe that dissociative trance/possession disorder does include demonization (possession isn't the best word and tends to freak people out) but that doesn't mean anyone with DID also has demons. i know this whole subject can be very scary for people--
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Agree with the above, but would amend it to state there may, in fact, be an actual separate condition all its own (dissociative trance disorder or trance possession disorder, a.k.a. DTD or TPD, Moriah calls it TPD usually) which in fact MIMICKS the symptoms of demonic infestation/inhabitation but has the same aetiology as DID (typically rooted in abuse, trauma, etc.) and has been caused by purely HUMAN situations and HUMAN responses, and does not involve unclean spirits directly at all.
So we have DID, TPD, TPD inclusive of demon activity, and demonic infestation/inhabitation -- four separate matters here to be considered, each with its own unique blend of misery and hell for the sufferer, its own blend of aetiological causes and its own needs for a thorough treatment protocol.
It gets messy because all four of these can bleed over into one another. It would be important in addressing the needs of those suffering to pinpoint exactly which elements bes present in their condition and which bes not, and treat them accordingly (this assumes of course a highly idealistic world in which properly blended psychospiritual therapeutic approaches could really exist and be viable and effective -- at this time we do not live in such a world).
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Originally Posted by reflection
the reason i believe this does happen is because i've had demons cast out of me. i do have inner children but i don't have DID.
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Moriah bes inhabited and like you, has inner children but does not consider itself properly DID -- its consciousness bes too shattered, splintered, scattered and fragmentary for "whole" alters anymore, though it once had a rather tight little system of under a dozen or so. Everything blew apart in 1998.
Not going to diss or debate your personal experience here, but in Moriah's view all that "generational curse theology" happens to be completely false and a load of utter crap. It
cannot be substantiated by a
thorough study of scripture (mentioning this because you invoked a biblical template & milieu here) and not only that but it constitutes a total contradiction to more important and primary matters of that particular type of faith. BUT, this bes not the place to hash out theological debates. You can PM if you want to discuss this, but if you don't, no hard feelings.
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Originally Posted by reflection
sadly, as malady mentioned there are some christian ministries who try to help those with demons who only make things worse or turn the process into a show and/or let the demons attack the person.
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No friend, WAY WAY WAY WAY WAAAAAYYY worse than all that (though all that would be bad enough!!!) WAY worse -- there bes them out there whats actually believe the way to address or "deal with" a case of demonic infestation/inhabitation would be to mentally, emotionally, and verbally "BEAT UP" on the VICTIM and THAT supposedly "hurts" the demons and "weakens" them and makes them leave. NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH, IT STRENGTHENS THEM INSTEAD
*AND* IT PUSHES THE PERSON SUFFERING AND IN NEED OF HELP INTO A DANGEROUS POSITION WHERE THEY WILL BECOME COMPLIANT WITH THE DARK ONES BECAUSE THEY PERCEIVE EVERYONE OUTSIDE TO BE ATTACKING THEM AND THE DARK ONES WILL PROTECT THEM FROM THAT!!!! Having lived with this condition for 26 years Moriah KNOWS whereof it speaks. This bes NO light matter.
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Originally Posted by reflection
the people i've gone to for help have been wonderful and very kind, compassionate and would never do anything to hurt or embarrass you (or let the demons hurt or embarrass you) and it's usually private and confidential. the whole process of getting the demons to leave can be downright boring as they are so good at doing it so gently!
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Moriah would guess then that they would be dealing more with "demons" in the psychological sense of the word -- the things that "bedevil" people in their minds -- rather than actual non-corporeal intelligences. At any rate it has yet to encounter anyone who knows what they really bes doing in these situations and who will not resort to blaming the victim and throwing them away in frustration while lying and slandering them claiming they refused to "let" God get the parasites out or else they must have failed to "choose" to want to be healed, etc. It knows EVERY f/cking trick in the book used by these charlatans and it has scoured the freaking PLANET (well OK just the USA as it has no passport and no legal name to get one, long story) looking for any sort of indication that any of these people know what the frack they bes doing and NONE of them do. Hell, even the incompetent ham-handed idiots that tried to "help" 20 years ago would, in their worst abject failures, be more useful than anything going on out there today. Unless there bes some underground railroad it has not yet uncovered, LOL, doubtful.
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Originally Posted by reflection
no joke. if anyone wants more info about this from a christian perspective feel free to pm me. i know of a number of ministries around the US and even abroad who do this in a gentle, compassionate way.
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Yeah? Well do tell then. PM this one and let it know who/what you bes dealing with here because it hears this kind of "pitch" from time to time and so far it has panned out to be the same jerkoff spiritual abuser types it has encountered elsewhere. So it bes skeptical but it bes thorough too yeah? No stone left unturned, even if for no other reason than to be able to say it has done everything IT possibly could and where the hell did GOD vanish off to.
Sorry if this comes off harsh or anything, it has been even only just last week once again put through the wringer with the spiritual abusers coming out of the woodwork ... foul toxic nasty people all full of themselves thinking they bes God's righteous chosen thinking they has a right to malign the afflicted for their own comfort.