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Originally Posted by Malady156
Ditto on this warning -- (potential) TRIGGER CITY AHEAD.
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i'll just ditto this ditto.
*trigger for talk of spirits/demons taking partial control of a person*
i tried to pm you but it said you don't accept private messages. you can pm me and then maybe it will let me respond or maybe you need to change your settings?
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Agree with the above, but would amend it to state there may, in fact, be an actual separate condition all its own (dissociative trance disorder or trance possession disorder, a.k.a. DTD or TPD, Moriah calls it TPD usually) which in fact MIMICKS the symptoms of demonic infestation/inhabitation but has the same aetiology as DID (typically rooted in abuse, trauma, etc.) and has been caused by purely HUMAN situations and HUMAN responses, and does not involve unclean spirits directly at all.
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i haven't heard of this last one you mention. interesting.
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It gets messy because all four of these can bleed over into one another. It would be important in addressing the needs of those suffering to pinpoint exactly which elements bes present in their condition and which bes not, and treat them accordingly.
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yes, exactly
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Moriah bes inhabited and like you, has inner children but does not consider itself properly DID -- its consciousness bes too shattered, splintered, scattered and fragmentary for "whole" alters anymore, though it once had a rather tight little system of under a dozen or so. Everything blew apart in 1998.
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i'm really sorry to hear this.
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Not going to diss or debate your personal experience here, but in Moriah's view all that "generational curse theology" happens to be completely false and a load of utter crap. It cannot be substantiated by a thorough study of scripture (mentioning this because you invoked a biblical template & milieu here) and not only that but it constitutes a total contradiction to more important and primary matters of that particular type of faith. BUT, this bes not the place to hash out theological debates. You can PM if you want to discuss this, but if you don't, no hard feelings.
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nah, i'm not really interested in debating this. i will say that the most improvement i've seen in my life was after i got prayer for this stuff. additionally, i had something interesting happen. the guy who prayed for me at the beginning of the prayer session said he saw a mental picture of a map that looked like it was the ukraine or someplace near there. (they usually are trying to determine what part of the world all this stuff originated from for the person.) i don't have any relatives that i know of from there. then, he said he thought he was hearing in prayer that i am part jewish and i told him i knew of no jewish lineage in my family. well, i decided to do some genealogical research after this on my mom's maiden name as there had always been some confusion and mystery regarding where the name came from and what it meant. low and behold the only info i found on the name was listed on two major genealogical sites as being a "jewish surname in the russian empire"! anyway, i'm just sharing that to say i believe this ministry knew what they were talking about. but, we can most definitely agree to disagree.
this is really awful and i'm so sorry you went through this.
unfortunately, i've met a number of people, mostly online, who have experienced some horrible spiritual abuse. i do think it can be some of the worst types of abuse.
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Moriah would guess then that they would be dealing more with "demons" in the psychological sense of the word -- the things that "bedevil" people in their minds -- rather than actual non-corporeal intelligences.
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the ministries i'm thinking of do deal with the actual spirit beings.
[QUOTE]At any rate it has yet to encounter anyone who knows what they really bes doing in these situations and who will not resort to blaming the victim and throwing them away in frustration while lying and slandering them claiming they refused to "let" God get the parasites out or else they must have failed to "choose" to want to be healed, etc. It knows EVERY f/cking trick in the book used by these charlatans and it has scoured the freaking PLANET (well OK just the USA as it has no passport and no legal name to get one, long story) looking for any sort of indication that any of these people know what the frack they bes doing and NONE of them do. Hell, even the incompetent ham-handed idiots that tried to "help" 20 years ago would, in their worst abject failures, be more useful than anything going on out there today. Unless there bes some underground railroad it has not yet uncovered, LOL, doubtful.[QUOTE]
forgive my asking but are you a christian? the reason i ask is because i'm wondering if they were trying to convert you. i'm not really sure how things would work for someone who isn't christian to try to go to one of these ministries for prayer. chances are they probably would try to convert a nonchristian because they would be concerned that if they did cast the spirits out and the person weren't then filled with the holy spirit then they would eventually end up with more evil spirits than they started out with. certainly, that is no excuse for abusing a person though! this would be something to discuss before the prayer starts and if the person didn't have any interest in becoming christian then they could simply bless the person with prayer for peace, etc. but not do the "deliverance" prayer. having said this, there might be some people who would pray for a nonchristian if they felt God lead them to. once the person experiences freedom from the spirits they might want to become christian. i know of a story where this happened but it was just a spontaneous thing where God told a guy to pray for a homeless man, he got free, and then became a christian.
if this isn't what you've been dealing with then please just ignore all that.
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Yeah? Well do tell then. PM this one and let it know who/what you bes dealing with here because it hears this kind of "pitch" from time to time and so far it has panned out to be the same jerkoff spiritual abuser types it has encountered elsewhere. So it bes skeptical but it bes thorough too yeah? No stone left unturned, even if for no other reason than to be able to say it has done everything IT possibly could and where the hell did GOD vanish off to.
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if you want me to pm you info i'll be more than happy to if you can receive private messages. if you feel comfortable let me know where you live (nearest major city) and if i know a particular ministry in that location i'll send you their info. but if you don't want to divulge your location i'll just send you a bunch of links to various places. also, if you let me know if you are a christian or not then i can help you better. i may know of someplace that could just pray more generally for healing rather than deal with the demon stuff. i just don't want to send you anywhere where you'd get harassed to convert if that is something you are not interested in if that is what your situation is.
no worries. whatever your situation is there is no excuse for harassing or abusing people. God just doesn't do that!! please take gentle care.
