Anyone hear of an old biblical (duh,I think biblical)saying, that goes like this "spare the rod, spoil the child", dad use to say that. There is so much truth to it too, which is obvious in many kids growing up today.
I'm not saying abusing a kid is right, but spankings and/or setting limits never killed us kids of the "earlier days", in fact it taught respect. Respect gets respect.
Not to make light of things, but my mom would pull the wires out of the computer and throw it out the window, she doesn't care for computers anyway. We didn't have computers then, so many things that had not yet been invented, but who knows, maybe that was a good thing.
Her verbal threats use to work, after learning what spanking or slapping can bring. After verbal warnings or dad's arched eyebrow, that was enough to let us know to behave, so eventually unless we were stupid, we learned about limits, boundaries, structure and respect, not needing spankings any longer, so you see it does work, it has for ages, beginning of time.
Too many cop outs today, allowing bad behaviour, I do not subscribe to most cases, but do not deny that there is a legitimate (sp?) small percentage with disorders that poor behaviour can result from. But even that can be addressed,by working with a child psychologist and or pdocs. the child and families can learn skills that may be needed to eliminate unwanted behaviour. That also applies to kids with ADHD, they work with those kids and their parents to help them adjust and develop control.
Key is consistancy.
Beth, that was a good post.

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