So just because you believe in your links and web sites that have the information YOU want to believe, that makes any information anyone else puts relating to NA/AA/12 Steps wrong? I'm not trying to be rude or start a battle of wits, I'm simply saying I've seen several of your posts here in Substance Abuse forum and it seems anything you see related to 12 Steps is not correct. While it's fine for you to believe that, that doesn't give you rights to try making everyone else believe what you believe. Everyone has the right to believe in what they want to believe.

Yes, there are other rehab facilities that doesn't partake in the 12 Steps, I'm all for it... Whatever gets you clean and sober, I'm for it. I posted what I posted from a seminar I attended on drugs and yes, it was surrounded by the 12 Steps and people who believe in it. Most of the people I've seen in this part of the forum do believe in 12 Steps, which is why I posted it here for them to see.

I'll have to agree to disagree with you here.