I haven't gotten defensive with Down, as I said in my post before, I know there's other programs aside from 12 Steps and that I respected his opinion, so long as he respects mine. I know Down means well by his posts, but some of them come off as pushy instead of a suggestive type way.

I know there's other programs that are equally as great as 12 Step programs, but 12 Steps has been the only thing that's worked for most us here. And how Down puts some of his posts, it seems as if he's trying to push his beliefs on us and wanting us to turn away from 12 Steps and be more "realistic", as he'd probably call it.

Again, I respect you Down and respect your opinions. I have nothing personally against you.