I second everything both of you have said. I've been married to an alcoholic and my teens used drugs. Hugging them never, ever did anything constructively...they drank or used, as soon as I released them....I don't understand why a thread that starts out wanting feedback is not supportive, if people post what they think will help. If someone asks if it's harmful to combine two dangerous substances and they get an affirmative answer, where is that not supportive? And if you know that someone will die, if they continue down the path that they are on, do you just pat them on the head and say, "there, there"? I'm not cut from the cloth of head patting and hugs.