No arguments here, but here's a point to ponder...

What society calls help or productive is an action or behavior that makes society stronger. I think that, amongst other things, it marginalizes the individual in a way that is both destructive to the individual and to society.

How many great thinkers, civil rights hero's, or moral stewards have been arrested and convicted by society only to have history vindicate them and demonize the socity that treated them so? Completely at random I picked a ten year period - from 2000 back through 1991; every winner of the Nobel Peace Prize was either arrested or exiled by their society's government during the actions which won them the Nobel Peace Prize - every one.

So, does this make it government that is immoral - or the society that allows them to stay in power? Or both? And then does it become immoral to help strengthen an immoral entity such as government or society?

Just thoughts.... so don't tell them where I live k?