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Originally Posted by purple_fins
... but I can use "men" and "women" if that seems less offensive to you.
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No, no... I know you meant no offense and so none was taken. We just see it slightly different - and that's okay.
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Originally Posted by AkAngel
They ARE of little worth to me; perhaps even none. People with whom I don't associate have no value to me.
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Originally Posted by purple_fins
Wow! that is NOT how I look at people AT ALL! I see such value in every single being... such a treasure to the earth. I don't wish for anyone to feel sad, worthless or scared.(regardless if I know them or not) If I could I would hug every hurting soul on this planet. Every person has a story and EVERY story is such a treasure.  |
In my original post I added, "Now to be clear, life has value to me - I have and would put my life in jeopardy to save a stranger but their persona...no value to me." So what I am saying is, while the lives passing by me have value; their stories do not. I don't value the life of the preacher more than that of the man on death row. Perhaps if I knew their story, my human failings would kick in and I'd value one life more than another; I think it's better for me this way. Too, as I'm writing this I keep thinking of something that Ram Dass once said, "Right now I love you more than I've ever loved anyone in my life, and I don't care if I ever see you again."
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Originally Posted by purple_fins
Ah, as I suspected-- as far as men go-- one has to go out of the heterosexual realm to find guys that are comfortable with "sizing up" men's bodies ....
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I think rather that it has more to do with homophobia than the implications of objectification. My daughter shares her thoughts about men all the time with me and I share my thoughts about them back with her. Personally I have some difficulty finding redeeming physical features on what she finds attractive and can't seem to figure out how she misses the cuteness on the ones I think are attractive but I am certainly comfortable talking about it.
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Originally Posted by purple_fins
I still stand on the notion that men in general(the majority- heterosexuals)-- believe they are above objectification and will not allow it to occur around them....their sexual attractiveness is to NEVER be questioned, nor is their humaness ever to be degraded by equating him or regarding him as an object. He will NOT be owned or controlled as "she" will be.
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It seems odd to me that a man would think himself above having their sexual attractiveness questioned. I can't imagine that I am unique in this as there seems to be no end of commercials designed for the masses selling everything from Axe body spray which invariably makes women flock to the geekiest of guys no matter how much they ignored him before to hair club for men where once again, women are suddenly both pawning and pawing him as soon as the hair is in place. If men buy things to increase their sexual attractiveness, then it seems that they have accepted that their sexual attractiveness is questioned.