i am being realistic Lmo, i know the doc is not going to change his mind over his choice of admin, all be it the wrong approach he took, we have to live with that, all of us, all i am saying is it should have been open to all of us and this time it wasnt, it was a closed decision, premeditated if you will on the doc side, that is what i am disagreeing with, i know ben is a good candidate for the job, i just dont agree with the methods that the doc used to get him to that position. i think the doc should have been more open, but hey who cares it it is only my opinion.