Hello chaosrob,

This is an interesting thread. There are not many people who will observe their motives openly like this so Kudos to you for doing so.

I know that there are times when I do things, even though I know I am helping someone, that I know I am doing it for 2 reasons not only 1; the important thing is which reason comes first... The possible manipulation of someone is something we all do, but rarely admit to.

It's like delivering a cake in the hope that you will receive a piece of it.

I think this is part of human nature chaosrob; but it is a part of human nature that people prefer to ignore rather than take note of and consciously change...

Thanks for the thread,

Rhiannon