But, but, thats therapy, we either choose to do it or we don't, the therapist doesnt drag us in of the street. Sorry I just dont get it, all this acting as we having somethng done to us. I've never seen myself as a victim, rather as a working alliance, I guess thats why therapy fits me, because of the attitude I have, I do notice a lot in 12 step groups are against therapy also, thats why I always struggled with that also. Oh well, all I can say is I am so glad I am the sort of personality I am, I'd hate to spend my whole life hiding all of the time and going to my death having lived a unexamined life, but I must work on understanding there are those that do.