Perhaps Ian, you could focus more on overcoming thoughts of suicide? That would be far more beneficial than constantly discussing the downside.

I have been in the Psych ward myself not too long ago for trying to end my life. Every day is a struggle for me, and I'll be honest enough to say that if I get thru the holidays it will be a miracle.

I have no wish to dwell more on my urges than necessary as it would probably trigger things for me sooner than I anticipate.

You try and see what happens.........maybe you will have a few interested parties. I also believe that your remarks to DE were uncalled for and rude. Simply because you are on this site does not give you permission to act and speak however you choose regardless of other's feelings.

We are all in pain - in varying degrees. The idea here is to help each other feel better, not worse.

If you are mature enough and can think past yourself, you owe DE an apology and the rest of us for your language, censored or not.

Mary Alice