Another thought on this, ozzie and W1, is that I see several threads where people are bemoaning the fact that one thread gets 33 replies and theirs only get 3. People respond differently at different times. Maybe I haven't been really active and my post gets overlooked. If I haven't been very supportive, then my name isn't out there and some people don't know who the ---- i am. So, I feel that a lot of this support business is completely tied into "you get what you give".....so, always jump in..even if it is just three words or three hugs. Believe me, it will help you, me and everyone else. xoxoxo pat