wow, oceansend,, you put me to shame, for the failure to see the true nature of Googley!! i hope more people see this, and we can even have some special Googley time, with only a few gentle people (my references aren't the best, but i do try). No one who cares so much for others should be feeling this way about themself~! so Googley, give us, and yourself, another chance.. opening up in Posts has been a great way to pull down this wall,,,, sincerely~! Gus