Hey SS, they were in an apartment, son had been on his own for 2 years and then came here because I couldn't afford his tuition any longer. They do take it forgranted. However, they don't know it yet but they are buying heating oil, and they did clean up their own rain eventhough I heard my son having a tantrum about it when he came home. I don't know, this is just one of those things that I guess I will have to process more or get very angry before I do something. It is complicated by his bipolar disorder. Thanks for caring.