@meat - Again I did not mean to sound like I got on my soapbox. Your point is well taken regardless.

Ironically though study after study shows that when people are treated in private or answer questions anonymously the fact is overwhelmingly clear. That the so called old fashioned view is desired and that people regret not keeping sex for a committed marriage.

I guess this is why I sound so strong about it. People will state publicly an "open", liberal, or intellectual view of sex but the fact is when the moment of truth hits them in therapy or in a anonymous survey the view is totally different.

The blind studies and clinical studies are out there. But the reality is there is more to the issue than just when to have sex.

Again let me emphasize to everyone I am just sharing what I have come to know and I do not think any less or more of others opinions or conclusions. To me the forum is about sharing experience and challenges.