its funny cuz i was thinkin about this earlier about how people dont wanna pay child support but they brought a child into the world. i was thinkin about well i know whats behind that kind of thinking is that the person thinks this twisted crap is that they are payin for their ex to have some good time. if someone is livin the way theyre supposed to then it takes a lot for the kids needs people know this its almost like when they get divorced they divorce the kids too or they still wanna see them but dont wanna pay to provide their needs which if thats the case they shouldnt have custody anymore & forfeit all rights. there was this man my husband worked with & come to find out his ex ran a daycare but also a meth lab & she was hooked on the crap. they made a bust in the middle of the nite & called him to come get his kids cuz she was goin to jail & he got custody. he had always paid his child support but in that situation thats how things were. like tishie said if u offer them all the stuff except the kids & they dont put up a fight u know where their heart lays. just a note that im in no means just talking about fathers it goes both ways lots of times i know of a few instances rite off the top of my head where i live where women are wild strung out & men have kids or other family members