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pachyderm Legendary Member Since Jun 2007 Location: Washington DC metro area Posts: 15,865 (SuperPoster!) 16 2,857 hugs given	Dec 17, 2010 at 11:05 AM Come a cropper, informal: fall heavily • suffer a defeat or disaster __________________ Now if thou would'st When all have given him o'er From death to life Thou might'st him yet recover -- Michael Drayton 1562 - 1631
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