lynn, i'm sorry your daughters are having such a rough time of it lately with this and the other situation you've posted about. it sounds like they are learning quite well how to stand up for themselves which is great. you mentioned earlier in the thread "it's a hard lesson, learning you can't really trust anyone". i think maybe it's not quite that black and white though, and i admit i'd be a bit concerned if your daughters end up thinking this. i mention it because i've seen you post other similar sentiments. it's true that no one is perfect, and that includes all of us, so we will make mistakes but some people make pretty minor ones, and others medium size ones, and some bigger mistakes. i think we can put our trust in people accordingly as we learn their character over time. i just wouldn't want to see your daughters become jaded by these experiences and think there aren't any trustworthy people out there. my dad tried to teach me that, but i knew it was his own cynicism talking so i didn't take it to heart. i do happen to know trustworthy people and i'm sure your daughters will meet some too.