all i remember are terrible holiday meals, where we got hit on the head with spoons for not having any manners at grammas, and not being welcome at the relatives, and when it was my turn, i didn't like having all those people in my little apartment, drinking,,, n stuff,, no,, i much prefer to celebrate the Winter Solstice in Peace and Quiet~! but for all you who do go to the trouble to feed the family, i congradulate you, and wish you well ~!! Gus