Y, i usually find your posts quite interesting and insightful but i have to say that i find this thread to be really triggering...and i'm not from an alcoholic family. unfortunately, drunkenness and abuse go hand in hand in many cases so this thread seems really insensitive to those that have that in their background. the grinning emoticon just sort of seems wildly inappropriate to me... i'm sure you didn't intend for that though...