thanx, words of advice are always welcome, i have to do chat though, i'm learning all the time. A bridge was built today though and i'm glad for it. I can totaly undrstand though why people dont do chat, its fast, strange sometimes, and can be abit manic. Thats ok though by me, i'm here to help and be helped, to listen and to learn, sometimes chat can be rough, thats ok. But there are people who need emotional support, i mainly go to try to give help and recive help in chat, i wont give up easy, i need chat and chat needs me. .x.x.x.x.x.x S.x.x.x.x.x.x.