I can not say they are totally different. I went meeting to meeting of ppl saying they no longer did this or this because they are straight and sober when I was doing such things straight and sober. I know today I am not the only one like this. So Just because we get clean and sober does not mean that we are angels. If you have a drunkin/drugging horse thief and you get them clean and sober what do you have? You got it, a clean and sober horse thief. As for forgiveness that is totally different story. Nothing is so black and white.
mlyn