No Perna, I don't think parents take "pride" in denying the problem.
They don't understand it but many of these people who are alcoholics are very smart. The problem is that I believe it really is a genetic thing, and I raised a child that has whatever the gene is, I know it is there, I have done a lot of thinking about it.

What I have come to know by alot of observations is that whatever this disease is, they are born with it. I know that whatever it is, when they have it they have to take anything they do and take it all the way. I call it the umpth degree. If they get sober and use AA, it works as long as they take it to the umpth degree. If they have a career and many of them work for themselves, or it can be a preferance, they need to do it to the umpth degree. For example, as I knew that my daughter had the possiblility of having whatever it is that is this disorder that leads to the disease of alcholism, I directed her to find something she could do other than alcohol. In her case it became horses and she does that to the umpth degree and that is what she does other than choosing alcohol.

I am really trying to think about it alot as I do have a lot of them around me. I have noticed a lot about them. This disorder can be used in a very positive way, as my sister has it and she is doing something to the umpth degree now, and now she is on TV.

I know that not all alcoholics succeed with AA, but if there was a way to tap into that umpth degree for everyone of them that do try and fail, more would succeed. It is something very fragile about them that they don't even know. When I sit and really think about my daughter all the time I raised her, I can remember how it had to be with her. I was really lucky that when I went to an al-anon meeting to try to get help with my husband I sat with mostly parents that were trying to deal with a teen that had the issue.

I never forgot that and I did everything possible to get my daughter involved with something that would give her a natural high. Well, it worked but now I realize that the reason it worked is that it was also something that she could take to the umpth degree. When it got shattered, that is when she turned to alcohol. As soon as she found her way back to another horse and another direction or path to the umpth degree in that she was able to stop the alcohol.

Elana, this is what you are seeing in your mother, she only knows that she has to somehow do this to the umpth degree. If there was anyway you could get her out of this scenario, even by force, which should be considered someday, she could get better. Whatever this disorder is that is what has to take place for them to get into a better life. Because if they don't they will lie, cheat, steal, hurt anyone in their way to get to that umpth degree. If they get sober and follow the steps and go to meetings they must take it to the umpth degree, they will be a happy person if they stay with it and they know that it is the only way.

I think that this has been with human primates since the very beginning.
I think that it has something to do with survival and that is why it is in every family. Perhaps that umpth degree is that primate that was the strongest and some leader or top primate and ofcourse that would carry thru the genetic process.

I would like to see scientists study this by observing these primates.
Ofcourse I don't think that anyone has made this connection but I do, I see it. We have always had a problem with it, it is in all of man thruout history. Especially if we look at the primates that suddenly use tools for getting food. If you notice they will keep working at it until they reach the umpth degree and it can be one way a primate that is considered low on the totem pole can suddenly become top monkey or have a higher rank so to speak.

Ok, I threw out a big secret here, I have dated and timed it. I want it to be considered. I would like everyone who is around an alcholoic or is one to think about what I just said. I can get pretty deep and I like to dig way down. I see a plant with a a leafy top and there is something about it that is different. Well, this is what I do, I don't just sit there and look at that plant, I like to dig down to the root and see that one extention to that root system that makes it possible for that green top.

I think that we better get out all those old videos of the study of primates and take a closer look. We missed something, its there. HELLO? Oh no, it's me Im nuts, oh yeah. LOL

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