Ah Venus your last statement, is that off topic? LOL

The topic is What exactly is madness? Perhaps madness is not allowing one to just be random. Philosophy, and Science, is philosphy random? Is Science random in exploration for meanings of what exists?

One day Einstein had a random thought that lead to discovering major scientific equations.

And how is it supposed to be known that you were being sarcastic? Or is sarcasim just an escape from a real opinion that now may be changed or a way of not accepting another opinion or idea?

How is desire to roam the planet a social acceptance of madness? So, we are mad if we wish to explore our own planet, are we mad to wish to explore the galaxy or the moon or other planets? Is it mad to even have philosophy or science or are you again being sarcastic?

Is searching for wisdom and exploration and knowledge being an adrenaline junky?

If an artist is filled with adrenaline as he creates a masterpiece is that madness?
If someone is filled with emotion and states a quote, was he full of adrenaline by doing so? If we use that quote to represent how we may feel are we only sharing adrenaline?

Einstein had a random thought one day, and that thought gave to other thoughts which no doubt produced adrenaline to proceed with even more thoughts that led to proving and expanding on that original random thought. Oh, I think the madness would have come if he was denied that process.

You make it sound as though adrenaline is something bad and only fuels madness. I think not, I think that it can be misused, but it is not designed for that. Adrenaline is there within us to assist us for survival. It is within many animals, something that is there for that moment of pure survival. Or are you being sarcastic?

Are you sqeezing a nickle so tight so that the indian is riding the buffalo? Oh, that is not your coinage, I was being sarcastic. LOL

Elliemay, I have a question for you and I am NOT being sarcastic. You talked about the work in your recovery. What is the work against? I am trying to understand if you are working to stop punishing yourself for trying to blame yourself for something learned. I have been really wondering about this as I listen to people who really struggle, and they punish themselves for something. Is that punishment because they were not capable of performing or achieving a goal that someone else taught them they had to achieve? Where does that come from ellie? I also see this struggle in depression in our youth and even eating disorders. It is a self loathing and punishment and I am trying to understand why. When I listen to some of the background it always seems to somehow originate by somehow being denied something or a feeling of not conforming that begins to internalize in some sort of self punishment. It does puzzle me.

I even noticed it in Paulos recollection of his youth, tearing his own room apart and wanting to give up and hide in that Mental institution. But he was denied something, he does speak of this. He did over come it, but he did find courage to seek what was denied. And it does connect with the fact that while someone can perform a daily task, or job normally, they are deemed as not threatening to society, UNTIL, they walk the streets with a machine gun.

Oh yes that young pshychatrist did him a favor by telling him he was not mad and wrote him a perscription for tranquilizer and he had no other choice but to eventually conform to what was deemed the best way to be productive. But, instead of using a machine gun, he gave that up and wrote. What did he really escape? What did he really learn? What point is he really missing? He left it out. Ellie, when he began to write, that was when he did the real work. He is leaving a very significant process out. Whether it be in an institution or the institution of submissing to being productive within an acceptable state, is that not all one in the same? Did he not finally find the adrenaline to proceed with his original desire? And he did travel Venus, was he an adrenaline junky? Did he run or did he find?

Open Eyes