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Old Jul 01, 2011, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael the Great View Post
What is "bonk"?

I respectfully disagree with the notion of both partners being equally assertive. It may work in some relationships, but I definitely see a dominant/submissive dynamic (to varying degrees) in most relationships, regardless of gender. To have two submissive partners would create indecisiveness in the relationship, and two dominate partners would lead to tension and argument whenever the two disagreed on something, typically.
Well you have a right to your opinion, yes if both are submissive than perhaps no children? And yes there can be a bit of indecisiveness in the whole dynamics of the relationship and perhaps they need to learn to be more assertive to gain any ground. And the oposite would be true if both were domineering, I imagine there must be lots of arguements in that type of relationship.
I don't see how being dominance or submission has any affect on affection.
Most men don't usually see that or the woman if she is the dominant one.
Remember that is often why they like to choose a submissive partner, Control. And I have seen this where one partner is often exhausted of the other's demands.

I didn't see that... I think you're confusing dominance and tyranny.
It depends on the severity of the dominance it can be tyranical. Remember there will be one who is submissive they don't complain they just deal. And I think that goes for both sexes, I have seen that happen.

I agree. I am "turned off" by a woman who thinks sex a chore and that I'm forcing myself upon her. I hope no woman I was ever with felt that way.
Thats why I talked about what women talk about in the absense of Men's ears. Many women don't tell again they just deal, but they may often tell a close friend or group of women they can confide in. I have been listening. I learn alot from listening and I have often asked why not tell the man? And that would be a long answer here. But I cannot leave out that men complain to, the ice woman or they are so tired of being hen pecked all the time they would rather not get intimate. And then there may be the ultimate passive that just goes along with whatever.

But one night stands? I've had many a one night stand where the woman was more than a willing participant. And the men too. Believe it or not, there are women who enjoy casual sex. It's a jolly good time, after all.
Here again, wish you could be privy to what many women say. They are often disappointed and just avoid any further contact. I can remember one conversation where a woman talked about how the guy was a really good kisser, so she decided to go further, the rest was awful and she had a real problem cause the guy kept wanting another event, she didn't.
But she never told him why. Women don't really tell the men, they talk amoungst themselves.

Yes, women often are willing participants but that doesn't mean that in the end they were truely inspired. As you said, ONE NIGHT STANDS, if it was that good she would be getting your number and finding any way to meet with you again, but as you say, ONE NIGHT STAND.

Believe me I have talked to many women and sit an listened in groups of women who explored a lot more than I ever did. I was kind of hoping that they would point to the good ones. I was sadly disappointed I really never heard any rave reviews. It saved me a lot of time and unnecessary exposure. I was on the list so to speak, but remember I am a good listener. I had them chasing but I did'nt waste my time and I was even bribed by one telling me he was buying me a car, wow big deal, not thanks. I already had the reviews. I was friendly with a group of very attractive women, they pretty much had the pick of the crop so to speak.
There does exist this phenomenon where a submissive partner gains much satisfaction from being sexed by a dominant other. Many individuals even prefer sub, men and women alike. This is why BDSM is so popular. I don't know what BDSM means that whipping type sex chains and that?
Now why do you think they prefer the submission? I just think that if one really knows what they want and is an assertive person they don't usually pick a dominant person, they pick an equal. Does picking a submissive person make one feel stronger? better? more powerful? or is it because the submissive one will just give in without much of a fight? Or, oh your so big and strong and sexy (could be male or female) you just overpower me? I only felt that way one time, the chemistry of the man was very powerful, I was married so I did nothing but I knew it was the same for him and so we just avoided each other, we were both married and we did love our spouces. Then again I don't really think of it as being in a passive or submissive position the chemistry was just extremely strong. That was actually interesting never felt that before or since.
We're lousy then? What can we do to remedy this? Enlighten me. Please.
Well, most men do not realize that a woman needs more time and there is a way to approach a woman that men just don't seem to catch on to.
I actually think it is a faulty design sometimes and could be a way for natural birth control. As I listen to different women I do think about that alot. I even see it in the different relationships as they draw attention to what turns them off. I really listen and observe people and I learn alot. And I can see how is effects the realationship.

Myself, I didn't really look for a man who was rich or extravagant. I actually was turned off by some men who seemed to think that their car was a big deal and had a real meaning to his identity and sexual prowess. And the man I picked was not really the dominant but he wasn't submissive either. It worked out well in the sexual department and would have been really perfect had it not been for the alcohol issue. I grieve about that. I dont think I will ever find him again in another man just wish the alcohol didn't damage it.
Glad to know I'm so valuable.
Sorry I don't have my post to see what you are addressing here.
Why?
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Are you implying that men are solely responsible for divorce?
No, it is not all the mans fault, there have been really nice men that got stuck with a possible tyrant in the female form. And this is where I see the Dominance fail. I would not necessarily say the man was particularly submissive but the poor guy just picked a witch. I noticed a lot of men will stumble over a real jewel to get to the one woman that is more difficult to catch. They often mistaken it as a good hunt or chase and well they catch it alright, LOL And they pay through the nose for it too.

Again, you're confusing dominance with tyranny.
Perhaps you need to describe your idea of dominance. Because it can be tyranny for the other partner. And I have a feeling you may have already advized someone on that.
My mom was, and still is, painfully submissive. She is very empathetic and loving. It's my father who's the tyrant.
Ok, there you go, often men are very attracted to a woman that is their mother, the same goes true for a daughter picking a man like her father. They do it and just do not realize it. My daughter's boyfriend that she will probably marry is a lot like my husband right down to the issue. I didn't want that to happen and I hope she keeps him in check and not have to deal with what I dealt with.
Not every dominant man is an Edmund Kemper.
Perhaps not that violent, maybe a bit self centered. And that is not exclusive to males, women can be that way too. There is a saying if you have a giver and a taker the one that leaves first is the taker.
We're all animals, dearie.
Well, there may be some that will debate you on that, fair warning.
It depends on what one believes and that is highly debated, even here.
Instead I would like to think in degrees of intelligence.
Are you critiquing my artistic abilities?
Oh you took that personally did you? Perhaps you are not that exception I spoke of? Remember I did say there are exceptions.
I agree. There are emotional and romantic aspects to sexuality that I can't understand, considering my mentality. Mind you, that's not my mentality as a man, rather my mentality as a psychopath. Men can and do understand those aspects of love and sex. Where you're getting this notion that all or even most men are selfish, shallow pigs is beyond me.
I wasnt saying all men are shallow pigs, I enjoy the company of men, but I am expressing what women say in the absense of Men's ears. But I have also hear what men have said in the absence of womens ears. I don't know why but people like to tell me things or may it is because I just listen and dont try to tell them what to think or do. However they do ask my advice at times.
Sexual confusion in adolescence is fairly common, regardless of how "normal" one's parental figures are.
Yes your right exspecially in this day and age where there is a lot of outside pressures more than ever before, except maybe in Roman times they were all over the place. And there are more children being raised in a divorce situation and that can really make them question alot.
I personally never had any question in that department and I really didn't have any friends that had that issue either, but this generation, they do have more confusion as the gay presence is known more in schools and even flaunted. And some girls thought it was just a cool thing in my daughter's high school years. I have no idea how it is now, perhaps even more confusing. Not that I want to see someone hide in shame for their sexual identity, but yes, it can be confusing when it is out in the open for those that are just discovering who they are and experiencing the normal difficulty of understanding the opposite sex.
Why are dominant and submissive traits always considered bad? Both are good in certain doses, contrary to popular belief.
I cant think of a relationship where that really worked out can you?
Point out a prominent relationship where that really worked out, I cant really think of any. I was thinking of Regan and Nancy but they were both very agressive. Sorry can't think of one can you?
Yes, "aggressive" implies "violent". Although, I've met more than few couples who enjoy aggressive and violent sex...
Yeah? why? what is the psychology behind that? I wonder maybe that is a psycholgical preconditon? I dont know if science has studied that yet.
You haven't had many healthy relationships with men-folk, I'm guessing?
I have, I have been married for 31 years and as I say, it would have been so much nicer without the alcohol issue. My husband was never violent. He was a binge alcoholic, shame it made it hard. I stuck with him but it was hard. Other than that, he was a good mate, not a dominant we were equal. To be honest I greive over that. There was a lot of fun and interaction the way I wanted. The alcohol got in the way.
We made love when the alcohol wasnt there. And I have already descibed what it is like when it was there, not so nice, because he wasn't really there, just some slobbering drunk.

I know there are good men out there. I think they just pick the wrong one. They often end up being dominated and are very unhappy men. I have listened to them too.

I don't expect you to understand, your designed differently, we dont have the same computer programing so to speak, my keys are very deep and caring, but not submissive. And your not as deep as me, not in the same way. But it is in your wanting to understand that impresses me. Men are often more practically minded than women are to begin with perhaps that is why they often dont recognise the errors that they make. Just an offer of a bouqet of flowers and a dinner does not mean they are owed sex especially if the conversation during dinner is condesending and too domineering.

Perhaps we all have to address it as best we can given that we are all somewhat unique.

Open Eyes

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