ahh, thanks folks but I just did something really dumb. I saw a few pieces we had not seen and went out to put them on the coals and my back went into major spasm. Like can I walk kind of spasm? I am a stubborn gal so you need to know that I couldn't even stand by myself. I am so pissed! At me, my back, my son for not bringing them down as I had asked him to check that area. And I am scared because if I did a good one it's excruciating pain and bed for days. Crap on a shingle!