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Old Sep 01, 2011, 01:49 PM
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Okay, I definitely had to take a day to consider and take this post in. When I first told my best friend about my sexual problems, she had the same reaction that amandalouise had. It's understandable. But the way I wrote this..things can be misinterpreted because you aren't in my shoes and don't understand how I feel or how she feels. The whole story is different when you experience it. When I said her arm "hurt" I didn't mean like extreme physical pain that needed to be addressed right away. I meant that within like a few seconds of her touching me she got "tired" and she's admitted to being lazy. She'd spend hours teasing me..fore playing but when it came to the actual sex part it's like everything haulted..and by that point I was extremely turned on and in MY opinion, I don't think that's fair to me. Of course if my partner was in physical pain I wouldn't be selfish and angry with her stopping because I would be concerned about her well being. Do not assume I am a selfish person. I am not. I whenever I have sex actually have pain every time because I have carpal tunnel and it hurts my wrist in any position that I do. But I continue because that's natural. It's natural for your arm to get a little tired because sex is a workout. It makes it more passionate when you continue even when your loosing your breath and you breathe harder. I have addressed every concern that my partner has had. But it always seemed like something was wrong..then it got addressed by a doctor and nothing was wrong. She was fine. I didn't want to assume she was just making excuses up to not be physical with me completely..because she'd fore play so I didn't understand why she couldn't follow through with what was started. I don't abuse my girlfriend if that's what you are getting at...that's actually insulting to me for you to even think such a thing and to write it on here. I don't think what she has been doing is right at all and she even feels bad because she knows it's not right. I don't take anything out on her..or make her feel miserable for not doing what she hasn't done, that is abuse. Not what I do.

I'm not asking for her to be the dominant one ALWAYS. I'm asking for her to take a little more initiative in our relationship. For me not to always be that one in the relationship to do everything that is romantic. I want equality in our relationship. I'm not into fettishes. I'm into fairness. We both want a traditional relationship but right now that is not what it is and that's what makes ME feel lost. Understand? Our relationship has taught me to become someone who I originally never thought I could be..someone dominant..but I'm not used to that..I want equality. Neither of us find actions like pushing each other into a wall..or pinning each other down as abusive..because it's between US. It's romantically sparked and started. I HAVE been abused. I've been pushed into walls. Slapped. Humiliated. I've been sexually abused. I KNOW what abuse is and that is most certainly not what is here. There are no religious ties with how we feel or act either, we are both non religious women and we know each others beliefs. They have nothing to do with this. What the problem is here is a confidence problem, not a philosophical/ religious one.

Anyways, with that said..because this post angered me. We did sit down and talk about it. When both calm. I talked about what I need from a basic relationship. Which is what I give to her. We still are IN those days where we compliment one another and say simple things..we still have romance..you know why? Because love never dies.

See I don't like having to say..hey baby, let's try this tonight. Or I don't like ALWAYS initiating things. I do often. I'm a very sexual person. and I've always been because of the abuse I've suffered. Sex is natural. Spontaneous. Passionate. It just happens. It doesn't happen because you asked "can we try this" or "can we have sex" That's just not natural. I go against that. That takes any spark away from anything that happens for me at least. My woman loves sex. I never hurt her. If she didn't want to have sex then she'd say so and I respect that and don't get angry. I'm talking about the times where she obviously WANTS to have sex..teases me for hours and then decides to go to bed because I didn't initiate anything. That is wrong! Sorry, I think so and so does my therapist and other people who I know. We are NOT in an abusive relationship. We always talk about how we both feel. Which is why she has known that this is wrong because I obviously don't feel desired when this happens.

By the way, I know what true love is. I know what lust is as well. I don't need it to be defined here. I simply asked for advice solely. True love are the simple things that many lack to appreciate. What I've mentioned and what you've mentioned..sex..is just one passionate way where two people who truly love each other express their love for one another. And sex is a really important factor in MY relationship because it shows close connection, trust and faith. I don't need "time" to find love. It's already been found. What I crave is not lust. It's passion in MY relationship.

But thank you for the advice. The other day she actually did initiate. Yes what we talked about did have an impact. She knows I've been hurting because I don't feel as desired in our relationship. Then yesterday I told her that I love her, that she means the world to me and that I don't know where I'd be without her and that she's done so much for me, that I'm grateful and that I appreciate everything she does and that no matter what I feel strongly for her and that I don't need "proof" or sex to know that. If that's how I "came off" Just by reading you're response that's how it seemed to come off. WHICH is NOT how I intended it to. We both have learned to be more confident in our relationship. Good communication is key. And hell, I'll be as honest as they come. I'm not "holding back" any feeling I feel. I know how I feel and that's going to be addressed because if I feel unhappy about something in a relationship it's going to be addressed and hopefully fixed over time. So I'm going with my own advice on this one.
Thanks for the added info.I dont have a problem with what brings you pleasure, experimenting, and delving into fetishes (by that term here where I live fetishes is anything that is not traditional one on one gentle and loving sex between two consenting adults. examples of fetishes around here are swinging, BDSM, Dominate/submissive, things that are not the typical encounters type things, having one partner push another agaisnt a wall or take them during sleep suddenly is considered fetishes around here where I live)

Im not agaisnt people needing something different than the typical things.

my problem is where I stand no means no, regardless of reason why a partner needs to or wants to stop they have that right to do so,

here in NY if a partner feels they must continue when they are tired, or in pain or just because they dont want to thats called rape, molestation, sodomy (and other terms depending upon the act being done) by coercion (against your will, influenced by someone elses needs, wants, desires and possible fear of retrabution or harm)

I know it can be frustrating to have someone to mess around with and then smack dab in the middle of things say no time to stop. but the law says no means no around here. when one partner says no more thats it, its not held against the one calling stop. no matter the reason, laziness included. the law says no is no. and I perceived your post about that part being very selfish and possible danger to the partner. Im a rape crisis therapist and when I see something that rings those danger signs I dont make allowances for those putting the partner or acquaintence in such a position.

To you it may seem like laziness on her part and yea she may have told you shes lazy but the law says that doesnt matter.

I know feelings wise on your end it doesnt feel so hot for it to keep happening this way.

you also have the right to say no, stop dont do this.

if you dont want her to start heating things up with hours of foreplay tell her no. get up and walk away, find something else to do other than sex at that moment.

if she needs a reason (and the law says you dont have to have a reason but if you feel you need to give her one) you can say to her - its called molestation when another person touches someone in private places without their permission. Stop touching me without my permission.

she doesnt need to continue beyond what she wants to do.
you dont need to continue when she starts things with you.

thats how you make a relationship where both sides are equal - by talking about things before doing them and stopping when things dont feel right, stopping when ever either side says no more and not holding it against each other just because one or the other says no more right now.

here in NY state - no means no (regardless of the reason) or it becomes a crime if one is forced to, coerced to or out of fear feels they must continue.

you can check the laws concerning sexual relations in your area by contacting any police department, mental health provider, medical health provider...