Oh right, kaliope! Good ideas! The first one I've used something like it with body tension... never thought to use it in this way. (You know, the start at your toes and try to relax your way up... which usually upon getting to the knees, has to be started again(!)) (I do a larger area one with driving. My feet right through my legs --and my whole body, really, but ankle/leg is by far the worst zone-- are constantly completely tensed. No matter how long the drive. Relax. 15 seconds later, it's right back where it started. Relax. I work very diligently on that. Not much progress, but I keep on trying. Took me years to even realize I was doing it, despite always hobbling upon arrival(!) )

And the second one... yeah, kind of like biofeedback, right? I've worked with that one with migraines (meds, yes, but still...) and other kinds of pain. Again, never really thought of that in this context.

Will definitely try these. (Heh, if I can work them all at once, I'll be like a one man band!)

I'm willing to try about anything. I hate when it consumes me so.