I havent read all of this thread either. But I can see that some posters have been triggered and may walk away from this thread upset and frustrated.

I used the trigger icon and I tried to cut down the crap... believe me, you ain't seen all of the things that haunt me... so it bothers me to be called a fake or whatever...

Been going through pretty rough patch lately myself. I am just saying what works for me, what keeps me get going and alive. Why are people allowed to talk of their success stories (and eh, not so-success stories) wiht meds and traditional therapy, but I am not allowed to speak of existentialist approach?

Yes, some have been triggered.... is it my fault? Others agree with me to one or another degree. There are plenty things here that push the triggers in me, but I realize it is my issue.

and as for "thinking yourself out"... I never said. I never said I was "cured". But without the right attitude... you are going nowhere in life, even if you have perfect genetics and all the resources in the world... It is sad fact of current mental health... the borderline black and white viewing of the world. Either depression means you are lazy or it is illness like diabetus, you need to be on drugs for life and if they don't work you are screwed.... I am of the "whatever works" school. But I think many people with conditions such as mood disorders get stuck in bad place because they are hoping for magic cure. I guess this is the thing that triggers me, when I see people are afraid to lifes... and their doctors and therapists and loved ones encourage them in their fears, because of broken brains, chemical imbalance, having to first get the depression under control, then you can live... I just believe that there is "cure" in the traditional sense of the word (as you no longer feel depressed EVER and you can be the "same person you been before")... that is the bad news. Good news is one can learn to live with it, find a way through it or around it... and sadly, often alternative aproaches, choosing somehow "hippie" or bohemian lifestyles and not adhering to society are seen as problem and symptom, when it as well could be a cure....

And I met people who cured serious physical diseases by their willpower. Yes, they were pretty extremist in their spirituality and lifestyle. And I mean, if I ever have some physical condition, I am personally gonna use modern medicine rather than hardcore zen and eating according to ying and yang.