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Old Dec 12, 2011, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael the Great
I've been accused of being manipulative more times than I can count, even on here. Most of the time, those accusations are warranted. However, I don't always see how I'm being manipulative. Maybe I'm not in those cases. But perhaps I simply don't know when my behaviour is manipulative, because I have a misunderstanding of what manipulative behaviour is.
I've made a variety of posts in the ASPD area and read a whole lot more but I haven't seen you been manipulative. Then again, posting via text limits experiencing one's behaviour, so your manipulative behaviours may not be reflected online. However, I have also seen that, like many people, you censor yourself so it makes it even harder to tell.

I haven't been accused on here of being manipulative but I have often been accused in real life, sometimes with threats. Usually it was when I was intentionally being manipulative, although I have been accused of such when I was not aware. Interestingly, many of those accusations came from the same people, so perhaps I just rubbed them the wrong way without knowing how. When someone does try to manipulate or lie to me, I view it as both entertaining and a warranted chance to do it in return until I get bored or it seems lame at the start, in which case I walk away.

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Originally Posted by Michael the Great
So... What is manipulation? How do we determine when manipulation is socially acceptable and when it crosses the moral event horizon into psychopath or politician territory? When is it clever persuasion, and when is it evil? Just curious...
My judgment of when manipulation is evil may be different than yours and a next person could have a whole other view of when it is evil.

I believe we all manipulate others throughout our lives, perhaps even multiple times per day, so to me manipulation is the process of achieving a certain goal by being cunning, deceitful, distorting the truth or playing "mind games". I think it crosses into psychopathic or political territory when someone constantly uses it to maximize hedonism at all costs or viewing individuals as objects for one's disposal rather than human beings. As for when it is socially acceptable, that probably comes down to the desired outcome, actual outcome and severity and quantity of who is damaged along the way.