Whoaaa!!! WHOAAAA!!! This is NOT the way enlightened people (or those who would like to be enlightened) speak to each other, so far as I'm concerned!!!

Me, I don't at all think that "enlightenment" is a joke, justifying burlesque humor and/or comebacks. Peace, people, PEACE. Mutual respect and mutual politeness!

There seems to be among many of us a subliminal or subconscious conviction that "enlightenmet" is some kind of dumb, eastern gag unworthy of serious consideration or respect. For those who've spent a lot of personal energy and effort in pursuit of this "enlightenment" beast I'd very much doubt that it's considered a joke.

And by treating it without respect we only justify the contempt with which they may look at us, parading around in our clown outfits.

Me, I don't think enlightenment is a joke. If we don't know what it is, let's just leave it alone and move on to something else. Unless we want to participate in some mutual questioning that may reveal to us what enlightment is and how to attain it. Which, of course, simply can't be done without respect.

Up to you. Cream pies in the face if you like, but then an end to this thread. Or reasonably serious consideration and an extended discussion.

Take care.