Do they give you any coping skills at all? I have these lunch cooler things...when I feel like I want to go walk on hot coals....I go stand on them...and I keep doing it over and over and over. I come on here....I talk to my t by phone today...it was a bad day...anyway...go get some ice cubs and I dare you to try and hold them for 5 minutes...bet you wont get through one minute. LOL What kind of cyber bet could we make...you'll have to tell me. Look...it doesn't matter what med people say...they're just people, and they have to cover their butts. Why don't you want to be on meds?