"Perception" also has much to do with the process, don't you think? Would it surprise you if I said that I find some comonality with this person and she with me? We don't agree with what it is, but it certainly is there!

There also comes a time when in your own life you have to draw boundaries or limits. "Above all; to thine own self be true" as I used to sign myself. In being "true" to myself it came time to say something, perhaps not very nicely, because I have also thought of taking my own life. In retrospect, nothing is worth that! When I had those thoughts, I was in a "victim role/mode." If you want to say that my button got pushed, so be it. For me it was an action of calling attention to the superficiality of the reason for taking her life, given the reason for other's wishes of self-anialation here on this board.

It certainly seems that someone was waiting for such an extreme to take place before they did something about the chat room. Throw a fit, get a reward... but only if you are a victim. Give me a break!

Perhaps you "perceive" having patience until it's threadbare as a virtue. I don't. I see it as "enabling." If you want to effect a change in your life, then at the very least ACCEPT what others say long enough to turn it over in your mind and see if it will work or ask for an explanation! Don't turn it down "just because" or tell that person for whom those things have worked that it's "wrong!"

Like I said in my PM to you, I'm not upset with you as a person. Not at all! Please take this how it was meant; a difference in opinion and something that has proven itself to me to be true.



<font color=blue>"Our doubts are traitors and make us lose the good we oft might win by fearing to attempt" --Shakespeare</font color=blue>