Rhap, you are very insightful, and I hated to disagree with you ... but I feel I need to reiterate on your sentence "but a husband saying or yelling at another person outside of the car does not reflect on his wife" ..... My ex did this, on purpose ... at the expense of me ... because he felt *I* invited it. If a man looked at me, I got beaten because of it. It WAS about me, even though I did not deserve or invite it. I somehow sense Time is going through something similar ... but then again ... I may be way off base.

I can only remember my ex-husbands outbursts as being very, very abusive and not in the slightest a way of showing love for me. He did not love me. He loved only himself.

But again, I am hijacking Time's thread.

Time .... We all, are trying to understand.
(And my good friend Rhap, lets take this to pm)