Thanks Seratonin I'm pretty deep in the depression rut right now. I was on paroxatine for a bit, but recently transitioned off cuz it gave me a kidney stone! (EPIC Paxil FAIL After a manic weekend, I wake up deep in the rut this morning, and reading your post made me feel that little hope glimmer again. I dream of the day that I can treat my depression in the natural ways you've described. i was on my way there when this dang kidney stone came along! Jeesh, life is hard