1tash1,

I think that you've misunderstood what eskielover and I were trying to point out to you. Neither of us were stating that you're a loser and need to give up. We did not say that you're a terrible drunk and everything is your fault.

I was merely pointing out the way I saw things as a child through my teenage years. I didn't even bring up my thoughts and emotions to everything! Honestly, your self put-downs response to our posts has stunned me. I feel as though you're being passive-aggressive with eskielover and I, which is fine if you are ~ we all have our "issues" to push through in life. But, if that isn't your intention, you may want to watch how you word things in the future a little more carefully.

We ALL make mistakes throughout our lives. Hopefully, we grow emotionally, take responsibility for our actions, and work hard to be as good as we can be. No one can ask for anymore than that.

You have older kids, which can be positive. You can sit down with them and have adult conversations. It isn't too late for growth and forgiveness within those relationships. Like I said, it may take time, but it isn't too late.

Try not to rely so much on what other people tell you to do with your wife. Perhaps you should see an individual counselor to help you discover what you really want and expect from your wife. Continue with the marital counselor, and be honest. If you're feeling as though everyone is blaming you for ____, share that in the office. You can bet that the counselor will go over that topic with the both of you to give you both a better understanding.

If I didn't care about you and your family, I wouldn't keep coming to post. Lengthy posts, at that. My aim is to help you see through the big bunch of trees surrounding you.