Leed I need to take lessons from you as to how to whine. Maybe that is why know one is around anymore, I whine a lot worse than that and I haven't had any surgeries just pain. I have gotten so confused as I don't want to get high I just want to be able to function. You are right the Dr.s will not listen to people like us. I have arthritis and fibromyalgia, etc.... The pain meds they had given me has killed my liver. I just don't think there is any relief I am on methadone now and it barely touches it after I work just a 4 hour shift. I wish I had some answers but I don't. You can whine here any time!I just added him for a little comic relief! Take care!