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Originally Posted by hamster-bamster
It is first I hear that 12 step recovery aa is the most effective means. Where did you get that data? And no, social acceptability of coffee is not equal to social acceptability of alcohol - I can sit in a business meeting with a cup of coffee but not with a glass of vodka. Don't you see the diff?!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effecti...lics_Anonymous
a very good, thorough article
I won't post anymore - thanks Dubblemonkey
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I think you intimated earlier in a thread that you were virtually required to drink coffee to keep your job. If that's truly the case, you have a lawsuit against the group directing that as an order. Caffeine is one of the most psycho-active drugs available; it would be the equivalent of demanding that one drink alcohol to work.", no, I did not intimate that, I said that I was falling asleep on the job, would you as an employer keep an employee who falls asleep? My company is a typical Silicon Valley company, and as typical for this Valley, it runs on coffee, it offers free coffee knowing how important this energy fuel is, and the hacker who is responsible for the siteup of this forum most likely drinks several cups of coffee during his or her day on the job so indirectly you consume someone's coffee-fueled energy, just as you probably consume novels by Jane Austen - novels that she most likely wrote whilst drinking caffeinated tea. And no, the analogy to acne and other side effects is not valid - I seek a counteragent for the side effects and sometimes I find it (hypothyroidism and acne are virtually taken care of so that I can continue with Lithium) and sometimes I do not. But I seek. It is a valid request to find a counteragent for sleepiness that is socially acceptable. It may be that siesta is the best, most physiological treatment for midday sleepiness and research backs it up but it is not culturally, socially acceptable in Silicon Valley which is where I need to survive. If you would like to respond, please do so on my thread dedicated to caffeine, not here. Thank you. |
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Your thread on caffeine is not readily available to me.
The similarity between being required to drink caffeine or alcohol is simply this: both are psycho-active drugs, both have side effects, some more serious for some than for others. Alcoholics cannot use alcohol if they wish to be in remission. Caffeine sensitive individuals cannot use caffeine if they wish to maintain avoidance of injury to themselves physically and psychologically. Both are addictive.
I do not read Jane Austen's novels. I did just finish the life of a saint, however.
You are seeking "a counteragent for the side effects" (sic)of drugs. Hampster, that's exactly what I have been trying to help caffeine sensitive people do for years. Some have successfully achieved that. I know that one of their techniques was the removal of caffeine and another aspect of it was the addition of more alkaline foods in the diet. What else they did to overcome their difficulties, I wouldn't know. But I can only assume that it was the omission of caffeine from their diet that played a significant role. It did for me, too, but then there are degrees of bipolar severity and again and again, what works for one won't work for another.
I understand clearly that you must have caffeine in order to remain alert on the job.
Your website doesn't open as it is posted. Other persons associated with Alcoholics Anonymous have a different take on the role of AA in remission of alcoholism. The
work which used to be called "The Big Book", now called "Alcoholics Anonymous" has a very touching personal view of the value of the 12-step recovery program from
doctors and patients who have used the program successfully in treating the illness.
Dr. Kathleen DesMaissons has also had real effectiveness in her work with alcoholic
remission.
Genetic