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Old Jul 15, 2012, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Luce View Post
Rainbow, do you think you are able to get anything positive out of T when you are struggling so with this?
You say it is not getting better, it is only getting worse. This has been going on for a LOT of years now.
When are you going to change it? Yes, when are YOU going to change it? It is not T's job to change you. It is not your job to passively sit there and wait to be 'changed'. YOU are the only one who can change you.
I wonder if you want to change at all. You have said, over and over that you do. Yet all your actions over the last few years (that I am aware of) serve to keep the pattern intact. Sometimes I feel so frustrated by your posts because it seems obvious, to me, that your actions and decisions serve to keep your pattern intact even as you try to tell us otherwise. Your defences and denial are so very strong about this, Rainbow.
So, what do you have?
Well, you are unahppy. Your marriage seems unhappy. Your relationships with friends and other family members seem unfulfilling and rather empty as well.
You have your T. You have your dreams and fantasies of your relatonship with her, which always seems to go through the same phases of idealisation and let down. You coninually build the relationship up in your mind and when you inevitably bump up against the limits of the therapeutic relationship you are devastated all over again. This happens over and over again, and has been happening over and over again for many, many years, with different Ts.
You can keep doing it if you want. If you like you can hang on to the scraps that Ts will throw out to you, and never give you more than you are currently getting. You will always go through those cycles of ideation followed by the devastating fall. If you want, you can act out this pattern for the rest of your life. You've done 20 years of it - what's the harm in continuiing for another 20?

This is a really sad way to live, Rainbow.
Luce, I did not see the replies here until eastcoaster pointed them out to me. You're very smart and I always value your input. I'm crying because I don't know what to do. Maybe I want to go on the way I am. I keep thinking I don't have many years left to live though my Dad lived into his 90's. My Mom didn't. But that's stupid. I don't know why I love and am in love with my T. I know rationally about limits and so on, but I act so stupidly. I'm not stupid. The only solution is to quit therapy, but my T is trying to help me. I just started talking about my weight, and appearance. I want her to help with that. I don't know what to do to stop the feelings. It hurts too much. I distract myself a lot and I'm okay, but then something happens. I don't know what the work is. You mean like never email her again? Never ask her anything about herself? Never? Ever?

One comment. My relationship with a few close friends IS fulfilling. That's not a problem.

I don't know if I want to change but I don't want to be miserable and in love with my T. I can't stand feeling like that. It hurts too much.

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Originally Posted by geez View Post
So sorry you are going through this (((rainbow)))

I can relate and I have been there and it's so difficult. I too have done things to want to please T.

On the subject when it comes to being attracted to the same sex I have never explored that option. However there are people (women) that I have been attracted to but not for there looks but for there 'person' if that makes sense. I think people can be 'bi' to varying degrees. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. People are people.
Thanks, geez. Good points!

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Originally Posted by eastcoaster View Post
Rainbow, I decided to make a chart with three columns: T as my T, T as the adult's mom, and T as the child's mom. I wrote down all kinds of things like amount of contact (emails, phone calls, and in-person time -- 3 separate rows), hugs/touching, topics of conversations, and conflict/conflict resolution. What I learned from this exercise is that the first two columns were actually quite similar. My T does mother me within healthy boundaries. Looking at the third column I realized just how impossible this would be and it was silly for me to even think that it could work. She cannot/doesn't provide food and shelter for me, unlimited hugs and "I love yous" really are only for children, someone ALWAYS being there just isn't realistic. Perhaps you could do a similar type exercise?
Thank you, eastcoaster. I'll try it and let you know how it turns out. I promise.