Dark Dark i suppose - even at school when given a psychosymetric test it was revealed that i cared little for anything but my own success - thats not to say i don't care about others at all, in fact my BPD would suggest i care a lot about what others think so perhaps ive been conditioned by a brutually ambitious upbringing to think more about myself when push comes to shove but ive never used others as a means of getting head - my success has come from me and me alone. I think these terms are a bit too narrow and don't quite accurately describe people as a whole, we're much more complex 'fluid' beings. Interesting thread though, thanks.