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Aug 24, 2012, 12:59 PM
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Member Since: Apr 2012
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Originally Posted by sadpeanut
If you would like to fund my tattoo removal, than sure! I'll get them lasered! Unfortunately, it is people like you that don't really understand. The inability to appreciate individuality is really upsetting.
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And how would you know whether I appreciate individuality? I do. Very much. However, employers have the liberty to hire people that meet their standards. You are individual, whether or not you have tattoos. And just so you know.. "people like you" is a vast generalization not conducive to productive conversation.
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I never said that my hypothetical job interview competition announced her problem with alcohol.
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I didn't say you said that. I said that, in order to make a logical point, that you very well may not be interested in.
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But if you know alcoholics, that substance effects work, family, and health. So eventually, after that woman showing up to work half in the bag, do you really think the employer wouldn't say to themselves "well ****... Maybe I screwed up"
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He very well would say "If I'd known she was an alcoholic, I wouldn't have hired her," and tells her she's lost her job. But that doesn't mean he'd then say "I should have hired the tattooed lady." It's unlikely because he already decided you would not be an asset to his business, despite your education and experience.
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Originally Posted by sadpeanut
You judge people based on only appearance, you are just ignorant and that is the problem.
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"Only"? Really? You're making yet another vast generalization about me, then you're calling me names ('ignorant') based on nothing other than your own self-serving assumptions, and then you illogically conclude that I am representative of the problem? Now, I do judge people. That is my responsibility. I judge people based on a lot of different things, and it depends on what the situation is. I judge repairmen on whether I think they are trustworthy. If a friend does something that breaks trust, I may judge that friendship as repairable, or not. I judge my children's teachers on whether I think they are adequately preparing them for their future. But you make it sound like if someone is unattractive, then I think badly of them. Now that is really unfair!
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We are told to conform to what society tells us. And if we do not, we are ostracized and excluded from what "normal" people get to do. You say that I seem normal but then argue that I'm not because I do not fit in to society.
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Wow. There are some serious issues with you inaccurately quoting me. I did not categorize a person with tattoos as 'abnormal.' You're doing that. You do seem relatively normal. Tattoos do not make you 'abnormal.' You can be very individualistic without tattoos. You elected to use tattoos to individualize yourself, perhaps not realizing that rather than individualizing yourself, you identified yourself with a sector of society that the majority of employers avoid.
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You say that you can't choose gender or religion? Transgenders? You absolutely cannot say that they can get jobs as easily as a person born as a man.
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Again, you are saying I said things that I didn't say. You don't choose the gender you're born with, and the percentage of people who change their gender is relatively small - much smaller than the tattooed. And the majority, if not all, of those who change their gender were born with a medical condition that has only recently become better understood. As for religion, of course that is a choice.
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They chose to change themselves but if an employer doesn't hire them, it's discrimination. I was brought up catholic but believe the teachings of Buddah. That is also a choice. A catholic business owner is more likely to hire another catholic rather than a Buddist.
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I think that's a pretty outrageous assumption. I have never, ever been asked about my religion during any part of the application/interview process. Never. As long as your religious practices do not interfere with performance of your duties, I cannot imagine anyone's religion (or not having a religion) ever being an issue. And by the way, I study Buddha. Love the philosophies.
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You're just not understanding my side of this because you probably don't interact with people like me. I'm willing to say that you would be one of the people that stare blatantly at heavily tattooed people and don't see how that's rude.
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True enough, I'm not surrounded by heavily tattooed people. I don't know why they would be offended by people staring. Covering yourself with artwork begs for others to stare as they try to see what it is, doesn't it? If I didn't want people to look at me, I sure wouldn't get tattoos. That said, I work at a large pediatric hospital. One of the nurses on my floor is a gay man who has a facial piercing and a good number of tattoos. He is also one of the most fabulous and professional nurses I've ever seen. Funny thing is, the parents who come thorough here often have very professional backgrounds. Lots of physicians, lawyers, other corporate types. I don't know what they think of this nurse when they first see him and he's taking care of their child - but by the time they are discharged, they love that guy!
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But it's okay. Not everyone can understand our personal choices. I understand the ignorance of society.
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I understand personal choices. I think you don't understand that your personal choices may have consequences that you don't like, but they are very reasonable consequences.
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And no matter what you say, it IS discrimination and it is NOT fair.
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No, it's not discrimination in the legal sense. It's not unfair. I will pick whitefish and avoid Salmon. Is that discrimination? I won't by an American-made car. Is that unfair discrimination? No. It's choice. Just like employers are entitled to choose whether they hire someone who has decorated their body in a way that sets them apart and identifies them with a problematic sub-culture. You knew you were stepping outside societal norms when you did it, and at the time you thought you were okay with it. Now that you've decided the price is really high, you may be regretting something that is hard to undo.
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ou stereotype people and people like you, my dear, are the problem.
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I'm not stereotyping you. I'm just telling you how it is. And blaming me for something you did to yourself is not going to help you.
I now realize that you aren't interested in discussion. You feel entitled to a job, and you're angry that employers prefer someone not 'heavily tattooed.' But it has nothing to do with discrimination or being unfair. If I had a business, I cannot imagine wanting to hire someone 'heavily tattooed,' regardless of their qualifications, because I would fear it would cause customers/clients to go on down the street because they would legitimately fear doing business with the sub-culture you have chosen to identify yourself with. It has nothing to do with who you are, your value, whether or not you're qualified, or whether or not you're a good person.
But anyway, I won't spend any more time attempting to reason with you, because everything I say gets distorted.
Take care.
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