Thank You Rohag. It's odd, we have all been to PSI seminars but they have gone further than I have. They claim I have forgotten all that I learned but I'm thinking that maybe I'm not the only one that needs refresher courses. I am a victim of verbal abuse ( not by them) and they know that. For them to say some of the things they do while "helping" me just seems to reinforce what has already been done. Anyway, I sort of wandered off there. I just wanted to thank you for replying to me.